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The Unreported Global War on Christians
Persecution for Christ
Written by laika   
Monday, 06 February 2012 12:33

At The Daily Beast:

We hear so often about Muslims as victims of abuse in the West and combatants in the Arab Spring fight against tyranny. But, in fact, a wholly different kind of war is underway, an unrecognized battle costing thousands of lives. Christians are being killed in the Islamic world because of their religion. It is a rising genocide that ought to provoke global alarm.

The portrayal of Muslims as victims or heroes is at best partially accurate. In recent years the violent oppression of Christian minorities has become the norm in Muslim-majority nations stretching from West Africa and the Middle East to South Asia and Oceania. In some countries it is governments and their agents that have burned churches and imprisoned parishioners. In others, rebel groups and vigilantes have taken matters into their own hands, murdering Christians and driving them from regions where their roots go back centuries.

whitemice  - Ugh.   |2012-02-06 14:26:25
We still have to quarrel over the legitimacy of a groups claims to persecution.

Killing civilians [non-combatants] is bad / unacceptable. I don't give a flyin' fig what kind of civilians they are. Neither do I care about the flag the perpetrators are flying; no deference should be given to the old stars-n-stripes.

Human life is sacred. Period.
emperorbma  - The flip side of the Golden Rule   |2012-02-06 17:58:23
Moral of the story: The injustice of group A against group B doesn't justify the injustice of group B against group C.

e.g. 9/11 America Revenge Trip 2001 (and subsequent 1984 police state mentality), Muslims vs Christians in the M.E., etc.
laika   |2012-02-06 19:37:46
Hmm... so Christians aren't being singled out for persecution in parts of the world because of their religion? Or is it just not the done thing to say so?
emperorbma   |2012-02-06 19:40:18
Oh, some most certainly are "singling out Christians." (e.g. Boko Haram) The thing is that Western countries are also singling out anyone with a turban and sandals.

We live in a world filled with sin and "if we say we are without sin, we deceive ourselves."
laika  - re: The flip side of the Golden Rule   |2012-02-08 00:47:57
emperorbma wrote:
Moral of the story: The injustice of group A against group B doesn't justify the injustice of group B against group C.

e.g. 9/11 America Revenge Trip 2001 (and subsequent 1984 police state mentality), Muslims vs Christians in the M.E., etc.

Is the article implying that A justifies B? Do you feel that the reporting itself is untrue? If true, why can't the facts simply be what they are? 

Sorry, I'm still curious about the first couple of responses to the article. I get the impression that it's being argued that if what y'all are saying is true, then that would make the article less true somehow.
emperorbma   |2012-02-08 09:15:03
General moral for the Yoo Ess of Ey, not anything particular to this article.
laika  - A Whiter Shade of Pale   |2012-02-06 19:54:16
So when did Procol Harum turn all evil?

But seriously,

emperorbma wrote:
Oh, some most certainly are "singling out Christians." (e.g. Boko Haram)

Thanks for clarifying. I guess the scandal lies in mentioning it.

I thought this was an interesting article because while we (in the US, anyway) whine about a "war on Christians" within our country (see Newt, just today), there's an actual war on Christians going on in other parts of the world - the kind with body counts and whatnot.
HOC  - Do unto others   |2012-02-14 23:05:11
The problem is that Christian people do not wake up until things are done to them. Christians have murdered over 200,000,000 people wiping out entire civilizations. Now they rise in alarm when a few of them get killed. Go to: and see what I mean.
Its too bad we all cannot live in peace.
PineHall  - It is people   |2012-02-16 10:38:50
HOC - The problem is people. Every faith from Christian to Muslim to Buddhist to Atheist has had their "killing fields". We are the problem. None of us live up to our ideals, whether people call themselves Christian or not. We are all messed up and broken. We can not fix ourselves. The Christian faith tells of how God in sending Jesus, who died for us, provides a solution. We have forgiveness and a restored relationship with God. If does not immediately makes things 100% right, but it starts a process of making things better in each and every Christian. Because of that process, Christians have done a lot of good in the world too that the website does not address.
patronpeter  - re: It is people   |2012-02-18 21:08:29
We have forgiveness and a restored relationship with God. If does not immediately makes things 100% right, but it starts a process of making things better in each and every Christian.

Your statement reminds me of this, "Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending."

I agree that mistakes have been made in the name of Christianity, but who among us can say they've never made an error? When it comes to group mentality, a lot of angry people, Christian or not, can create a hell of a lot of violence. Glad you're someone willing to recognize that your group has flaws, but have the tools to work on it.
laika  - re: Do unto others   |2012-02-15 21:04:43
HOC wrote:
Christians have murdered over 200,000,000 people wiping out entire civilizations.

According to the site, a paltry 100,000,000 were murdered by Christians, only half of what you claim here.
whitemice  - re: Do unto others   |2012-03-15 07:38:57
HOC wrote:
The problem is that Christian people do not wake

No, I think the problem is thin identity and selective identification. U.S. Christians as a whole don't seem terribly burdened to identify strongly with the Christians living in destitute poverty a dozen miles away. But there is a very vocal segment who craves to identify with a Christian 12,000 miles away being harassed by a Muslim. And the history of the interaction of these communities is often long and complex; in many cases it is very hard to discern between persecution for religious reasons and persecution based on ethnicity - and if that persecution, either way, is really driven by 'native' hatred/resentment or hatred/resentment manifested to pursue economic or political ends.

I'm just convinced these types of persecution stories don't serve any informative purpose - people of every stripe are persecuted all over, and there are numerous organizations that deal with those events. A journalist of course if free to write whatever he/she wants or their employer will publish. But who will *use* some stories is just obvious.

HOC wrote:
up until things are done to them. Christians have murdered over 200,000,000 people wiping out entire civilizations.

Nah, I don't accept that construct either.  People kill people, that's what people do because of what people are.
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